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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

I just saw the most ridiculous film on earth or even the whole universe.
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

The things in this movie are too funny and to some extent obnoxious. Some scenes were obscene and were very hard to even understand why we are watching it in the first place. This is something that I would advise to watch only when you have no shit to do and loads of time to kill.

Bottom Line :
Its MINDLESS OBNOXIOUS MOST IRRITATINGLY FUNNY FILM EVER.

Monday, November 19, 2007

The Fifth Lie: 7 Great Lies of Organized Religion - Part 5

The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion

~~~

Lie #5:

'There is no single truth.  Everyone needs to explore and find
a truth that works for them.'

~~~

John,

  This one's a real hot potato.  And it's not something you hear
so much from ancient religious institutions... rather, it's simply
the 'politically correct' way to talk about spirituality these days.

  It tends to be expressed something like this: 'You've got your
truth, and I've got my truth.  You find a faith that works for
you, and I'll find a faith that works for me.'

  Well here's my question:

  How many conflicting versions of the truth can actually be true?

  I'm not going to use this space to promote an agenda today -- or
to push any specific claim of Ultimate Truth.  I'm just going to
highlight a very simple, logical reality that each of us, in our search
for Truth, must recognize.  Pardon me if I offend you, but I'm
going to put it bluntly.

  It's impossible for all religions to be true.

  In other words, if Islam is essentially true, then Buddhism,
Hinduism and Christianity are not.  If Buddhism is essentially true,
then Islam, Christianity and Hinduism are not.  And so on.

  How can I say such a thing?  Because if you *really* study these
religions, it will become clear that each makes bold, fundamental
assertions about reality that are not compatible with the others.

  For example, Hinduism states that divinity is present in everything.
Christianity, Judaism and Islam all assert that God is distinctly
separate from what he has created.  The implications of these different
views run very deep, and they are fundamentally incompatible.  It's
logically impossible for both views to be true.

  So why bring this up, anyway?

  Well first I have to make a confession.  I would *like* to believe
that all religions could be true.  I would personally *like* to believe
that all paths lead to God.  It feels good.  It's a kinder view of
the world.  It puts everyone on equal footing.

  But it just doesn't make sense.

  Truth is, by nature, exclusive.  There are always more wrong
ways to do just about anything than right ways.  There are always
more wrong answers to any given question than right ones.

  True?

  And you know what?  This really raises the stakes.  It puts a
real sense of urgency in our search for truth, because it shows
that if we're not careful, we can fall for a half-truth.

  On the other hand, if you diligently search, seek
out the facts, and your spiritual journey brings you to
a place where the pieces fit in place - if everything makes
logical sense and it feels right in your heart - then you
should not hesitate to share your joy with others.

  OK... now let's stop right now and make something very clear:

  If we possess the truth, it doesn't give us the right to
be unkind to those who disagree.  It didn't give Bin Laden the
right to declare Jihad, hijack airplanes and fly them into the
World Trade Center.  It didn't give so-called 'Christians' the
right to kill people in the Crusades.  It doesn't give us the
right to be disrespectful or violent.

  What it does give us is the right - and the confidence -
to go out into the marketplace of ideas and *see* if our Truth
stands up to hard scrutiny.

  C.S. Lewis was talking about this very thing when he said,
'You don't need to defend a Lion.  You just need to let him
out of his cage.'

  If you really do have the truth, then you have nothing to fear.
You don't need to burn books or censor speech.  Truth is its
own best defense.

  In our modern, sophisticated culture, spirituality gets
locked up in a cage.  It's a taboo subject.  Discussions about
religion are not considered 'polite conversation.'  So nobody
talks about it.

  The result?  People don't talk to each other.  They live in
fear and isolation.

  Some folks harbor ideas and notions that make absolutely no
sense, but because those ideas are never brought out into the
light of day, they're never questioned.

  Others have great wisdom, but they're afraid to share it with
others!

  How sad.

  In your search for the truth, then, know that you're not just
looking for something that sounds good.  As with any other kind
of truth, it may *not* feel good all the time.  Know that you're
looking for something definite, something that will by nature
make some pretty bold claims.

  Also, please understand that if someone tells you they
possess the truth, they're not being arrogant.  Fact is, they're
either sadly deceived or else they're right.  You can't put
someone down for being deceived, and you can't fault someone
for being right!

  The real challenge is to discern the difference.

  Tomorrow I'm going to cover Lie #6:

'The Bible is out of date, inaccurate and over-rated.  People
in the 21st century are way too smart for that.'

  Thanks for sticking with me.

  Respectfully Submitted,

  Perry Marshall

--
Cheers,
John

The Fourth lie: 7 Great Lies of Organized Religion - Part 4


The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion

~~~

Lie #4

'Women are spiritually inferior and must bow to the
authority of men.'

~~~

John,

 In the religious bureaucracy of the ancient world, women
were basically property.  If she burned his toast, he could
divorce her and send her away destitute.  If she saw a crime
in progress and reported it to the police, her testimony in
court would be thrown out--simply because she was female.
Women weren't considered smart enough to recount what really
happened.

 Isn't that special?

 Get this.  Jesus gets crucified.  His body is taken down and
put in a guarded tomb.

  Three days later, some of his female friends come to the tomb,
the door is wide open, and nobody's inside.  They're shocked.  But
they're even more shocked when Jesus shows up.  He talks to them.
These women are the first people to see this astonishing event and
report it.  The men don't believe it until they see for themselves.

  Well here's the kicker:  Had somebody invented this resurrection
story out of thin air, they would *never* have said that women found
the empty tomb--because women in that culture were considered
inferior and unreliable anyway.

  So what this demonstrates is:

1) It's highly unlikely this story is made up, because no person who
invents such a hoax would ever put women in this role.  The fact
that women are the first witnesses to this event strongly suggests
that Jesus DID actually rise from the dead.  A conclusion that
has staggering implications.

2) This also shows that Christianity considers women to be equal
to men.  Jesus had many women in his inner circle, and there were
female leaders and prophetesses in the early church.

  When religion runs amok, it's always in the interest of one of
three things:

  -Money-
  -Sex-
  -Power-

  Don't you agree?

  And what could be more convenient than for selfish men to shove
women around and say it's the will of God?

  You know, the thing about genuine spirituality is that it
isn't used as a weapon to control people.  Yes, Jesus gave
some pretty stern warnings and he talked about some heavy
subjects.  But how often do you see him bossing his followers
around?

  He didn't do that.  Instead, he took off their shoes and washed
their dirty feet to show them how they should serve each other.  His
life and death are the deep irony of God engaged in the
humble service of mankind.

  Tomorrow I'm going to attack Lie #5.  This one may surprise you:

'There is no single truth.  Everyone needs to explore and find a truth
that works for them.'

  Respectfully Submitted,

  Perry Marshall


--
Cheers,
John

The Third Lie: 7 Great Lies of Organized Religion - Part 3




The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion

~~~

Lie #3:

'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for
yourself.  We will do your thinking for you.'

~~~

John,

 Do you know what the most important invention in the
history of the world was?

 It wasn't the computer.  And it sure wasn't the light bulb
or the telephone.  (Or even the electronic voting machine.)

 It was the printing press.

 In 1445, Johannes Gutenberg invented the world's first movable
type printing press.  He didn't know it, but he was unleashing a
revolution that continues to this day.  Even the mighty Internet
in the 21st century is just an extension of Gutenberg's original,
revolutionary machine.

 The first book he printed was the Bible.  And that led
to controversy, too, because Luther translated it into
German, the people's language, instead of Latin, the
lingo of the religious elite.

  Suddenly, ordinary folks could not only afford a copy,
but they could read it for themselves instead of getting
some guy's self-serving interpretation.  Soon the cat was
out of the bag--there were copies scattered all over Europe.

  When people started to read it, they were alarmed at what
they saw, because between the covers of this book was an
amazing story that had seemingly little to do with the politics
and shell games they saw in some corners the church.

  Luther wrote a list of 95 accusations against the church --
priests taking bribes and granting 'indulgences', an
institution setting itself up as a 'middleman' between
man and God.

  He argued that God didn't need a middleman, or a
distributor, or an agent, or a bureaucracy.  People
could go direct to the source.

  This little 'schism' in Worms Germany unleashed a
firestorm of protest and permanently changed the way people
approached education.  No longer was a big, faceless institution
responsible for your spiritual progress -- YOU were.  Now that
you had the knowledge in your hands, you were accountable
before God to do something about it.

  I'm not trying to attack the Catholic church, by the
way.  The problem is not institutions per se; it's just
that it's always easier for us to mindlessly follow someone
else than to listen to God and use the minds He gave us.

  It's no coincidence that the scientific enlightenment and
industrial revolution began in earnest within 50 years of this.
Not that it wasn't already underway (it had already gathered
considerable momentum) but now that ordinary folks had access
to knowledge and the freedom to pursue it, the possiblities
were limitless.

 The printing press took the handcuffs off of knowledge and
spirituality, and the world has never been the same.  Equal
access to knowledge empowered people everywhere, and it
was only natural that the Rennaisance, and in time, democracy
too would follow.

  What's troubling now is that most people still don't do anything
with the knowledge that's available to them.  Why would you accept
a 'canned' answer or empty platitude when you can open the book
and read about it for yourself?

 People have debates about Jesus, but most have never read the
real story--they just believe what they're told.  How sad.

  If you want a 'Just the facts ma'am' version of what really
happened, grab a Bible (please -- a modern English version that's
easy to read, not something from the 1600's) and read the book of
Luke.  A truly fascinating story will unfold.

  I dare you to read for one hour and then stop!

  And you know what?  Nobody will need to tell you what it means.
You'll be quite able to figure it out for yourself.

--
Cheers,
John

Thursday, November 15, 2007

Mahaprasthanam

Maha prasthanam -
manishi jeevitham!

amaram akhilam
- aa dhivatvam!

amogham adviteeyam
ee anantha lokam!

payanam - aadhyatmikam
phalitam - soonyam!

Ideynaa jeevitham?
Yemito ee vedaantham?

Naa sarvam nee
anveykshanakey ankitam

Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Drunken elephants n Dumb paris

My colleague Wes forwarded a really funny thing today. Check this out!

I don't know if this is funnier because the elephants are drunk or that it is Paris Hilton who is drawing attention to it.
Courtesy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/23/drunken_elephants/

A herd of 40 Indian elephants which quaffed rice wine, "went berserk" as a result and rampaged round a village looking for food, suffered six fatalities after toppling an electricity pole, the West Australian reports.

According to state wildlife official Sunil Kumar, the drunken pachyderm electrocution incident took place last Friday in Chandan Nukat, a village some 240km west of Meghalaya state's capital Shillong. Kumar said: "There would have been more casualties had the villagers not chased them away."

India's wild elephants evidently have a taste for rice hooch-driven high-voltage suicide. In 2004, four were fried after a similar electricity pole downing in the northeastern Indian state of Meghalaya.
And in 1999, the BBC also reported that a herd of 15 animals "broke into thatched huts in the village of Prjapatibasti" (Assam), made short work of casks of rice beer and ran amok throughout the village, "killing four members of one family and injuring six others".

Paris Hilton's comments

Conservationists have welcomed Paris Hilton's apparent concern for elephants who, tanked up on rice beer, rampage around the Indian countryside with sometimes tragic results.

During the highly-talented heiress's trip last week to Tokyo, she highlighted the pachyderm piss-up problem which recently accounted for six animals in the state of Meghalaya.

To recap, 40 elephants helped themselves to locals' hooch, then attacked an electricity pole, with predictable results.

According to the Guardian, Hilton said: "There would have been more casualties if the villagers hadn't chased them away. And four elephants died in a similar way three years ago. It is just so sad."

She then allegedly, and we can't help feeling immortally, added: "The elephants get drunk all the time. It is becoming really dangerous. We need to stop making alcohol available to them."

We'll leave it to readers to comment on exactly who should be deprived of alcohol on safety grounds, but we should note that Ms Hilton's comments have genuinely been welcomed by conservationists. Sangeeta Goswami, head of People for Animals, endorsed: "I am indeed happy Hilton has taken note of recent incidents of wild elephants in north-east India going berserk after drinking homemade rice beer and getting killed."

He added: "As part of her global elephant campaign, Hilton should, in fact, think of visiting this region literally infested with elephants."

We have no doubt this invitation will cause Hilton a certain amount of soul-searching, while she considers whether to clear her diary for a Rwandan war orphan mercy dash, or a lightning trip to Meghalaya armed with a really big breathalyser.

:)

Tuesday, November 13, 2007

The Second lie : Seven great lies of Organized religion

I dont know if this is a copyright violation or something but I think this might actually help someone so - posting it here.


Lie #2:

'God is huge and unapproachable, and He wants you to labor,
struggle and live in guilt.'

~~~

John,

2000 years ago, they wouldn't even dare say the word
'God.' God was distant, remote, terrible.

But Jesus had his own words for God, and he used them freely.
They were controversial, even scandalous.

His words for God:

'Daddy.'

And 'Your heavenly father.'

So when the Religious Gestapo condemned him for hanging out
with ruffians and women of ill-repute, he told an even more
scandalous story:

'There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to
his father, 'Dad, I wish you were dead. Why don't we pretend you
are dead, and give me my share of the family estate.' So the
father divided his property between them.

A few days later, the disrespectful son packed his bags and
headed for a distant land. He squandered his inheritance on wine,
women and song. And when he had spent everything, a great famine
arose in that country, and he got hungry.

So he got a job feeding pigs. (Jewish people considered pigs
to be utterly repulsive.)

This young man would gladly have eaten the pods that the swine
ate; but no one gave him anything.

But when he came to his senses, he said to himself, `How many
of my father's hired servants have bread enough and to spare, but
I'm here starving! He went back to his father. But while he was
still far away, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and
embraced him and kissed him.

The son said, `Father, I have sinned against heaven and before
you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'

But the father said to his servants, `Go get the best robe,
and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his
feet; and bring the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and
have a huge party; for this my son was dead, and is alive again;
he was lost, and is found.'

Jesus sums it all up like this: 'I tell you, there will be
more joy in heaven over one sinner who comes back than over
ninety-nine people who are already good.'

The father in the Prodigal Son story was not concerned with
his dignity. He was not concerned with what was 'fair.' When
his son wanted to go his own way, he let him go. But he was
watching out the window the whole time, hoping he would come back.

That's Jesus' picture of God - just like the father in this
story. Loving. Forgiving. Approachable. And that was radical.

In fact his very first public speech was scandalous because
he was talking to the hometown boyz. Luke tells the story in
chapter 4, like this:

The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling
it, he found the place where it is written:

"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the
attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the
synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by
saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled
in your hearing."

This is not a guy who's afraid to rock the boat.

Tomorrow I'm going to attack Lie #3:

'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for
yourself. We will do your thinking for you.'

Respectfully Submitted,

Perry Marshall

Get the whole story of the prodigal son in Luke 15:
http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2015:11-32;&version=31

Hear the Live "Uncut" version of 7 Great Lies:
http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/7lies/

Sunday, November 11, 2007

The first lie : Seven great lies of Organized religion

I have subscribed to a really good newsletter called "The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion" by Perry Marshall of CoffeeHouse Theology. I like the thoughts he has put forth. Here is the first installment.

~~~

Lie #1:

'If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure,
follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money,
you'll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.'

~~~

John,

Remember that scene near the end of the Wizard of Oz,
when Toto is pulling back the curtain? The sound system
is bellowing, 'Pay no attention to that man behind the
curtain. THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN!'
And There's a little man behind the controls, talking into
a microphone.

Kind of reminds you of certain religious institutions,
doesn't it? Short little insecure men, hiding behind
names and titles, sending everyone on Mission Impossible
while they themselves indulge in secret sin. The
preacher stands in front of thousands and shakes his
finger. Nobody else knows that he had a stripper
in his hotel room last night.

Somebody tells you, 'Here, follow all these rules and be
the best person you possibly can, and you might have a shot
at being accepted by God someday.' Then they string you along
and get you under their thumb.

No wonder people are cynical.

Well it's no accident that Jesus' own biggest enemies 2000
years ago were precisely those same self-righteous hypocrites.
When Jesus showed up, they were terrified of losing their cushy
jobs and political clout. Eventually they murdered him for
exposing their racket.

True spirituality had been buried in a big pile of bureaucracy,
and the religious establishment used it to gain leverage. To have
power over people, to get priority seating in expensive restaurants,
and to line their pockets with cash.

They had everyone thinking that pleasing God was a never-ending
performance marathon.

Well Jesus painted a totally different picture. He told this
story:

'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a holy man and
the other a tax collector.

The holy man stood and prayed, 'God, I thank you that I am not
like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like
this lousy tax collector. I fast twice a week, I give tithes
of all that I get.'

But the tax collector, standing far away, would not even lift
up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be
merciful to me a sinner!'

Jesus explains: 'I tell you, this tax collector went home
forgiven, rather than the holy man; for every one who praises
himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be praised.'

Beware of the proud holy man who hangs a bunch of rules
around your neck.

That humble tax collector had it right. He was doing the only
thing you and I can do to be accepted by God. He just asked, with
humility.

Tomorrow I'm going to attack Lie #2:
'God is huge and unapproachable, and He wants you to labor, struggle
and live in guilt.'

Thanks for reading!

Respectfully Submitted,

Perry Marshall
www.CoffeeHouseTheology.com

The whole story about the Tax Collector is in Luke 18:9-14:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2018&version=31

Listen to the Live "Uncut" version of 7 Great Lies:
http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/7lies/

Wednesday, November 07, 2007

Crazy questions!

I have been questioning everything since childhood and found that we have alot of questions in us but never ask just for the fear of being fooled. Since I am not a kind anymore I can dare to ask some questions, if you have any similar questions please ask so that we can collectively figure out the answers for atleast some.

I will list some of the craziest questions I had as a kid :

1. I have been taught fish have fins and swim and do whatever that fish does. Then the biggest fish - whale is NOT A FISH at all. Why are whales mammals?If they are really mammals, Why dont they have hair and stuff? What are hell are they doing under water with fish? Why arent they up here on land?
2. Why is the laddu round in shape?
3. Why do we have a hole in Gaare ?
4. Why do we call the lemon rice pulihora?
5. Why is water tasteless?
6. Why do we cook and not just clean and eat? When did this cooking start?
7. Why do we yawn?
8. Why are we not four legged like like Lion or tiger?
9. What happened to the tail if we came from Monkey? Appendix doesn't make much sense to me. Even if a small food particle goes in - it swells up like crazy and give us appendicitis - what kind of tail is that?
10. Why dont human beings lay eggs? Why do we just give birth ? Eggs will be really cool isnt it? If we laid eggs earlier, when did we decide not to? and why?
11. Why are we on land and not under water? Why do we have two different ecosystems i.e. considering the major ones land and water?
12. Apart from land and water we have another huge area - Sky. The fish never come to land ever - even for a trip in their life and similarly we dont go stay under water - so we stick to our ecosystems. And is there any being out there that has stuck to the skies and flies all the time and never comes on to the land or dives into water? Is sky a habitat for any being?
13. Why is it that the birds get to have both wings and legs while the snake lacks both and just have to use tentacles.
14. Some birds like (neeti konga) can swim, walk and fly. If we are the superior beings why the hell cant we do that?
15. Why dont human beings have wings? Why cant we fly? Did we ever fly?
16. What good is it to have a dangerous animal around like Crocodile. Does it ever do any good? Why do we have such dangerous creatures? And why is it born-ugly?
17. And what is the deal with the forests? Why dont we have just plains and grasslands?
18. Why is all the ICE up north and down south of the earth, why cant we have distributed all over?
19. Why do we have deserts where there is no water at all, and seas where there is no land at all? why cant we have just one normal thing with abundant everything?
20. What the hell am I talking?


Crazy huh?

Tuesday, November 06, 2007

Who is God?

This my answer to satish's question. Who is god?


6th November 2007
Who is God?

Dear Satish,

your Answer: (A strong belief in you which creates a picture of GOD)

You are being very vague in your answer here. God is very personal and to give him a picture is also personal. Giving a picture to god does not explain who he is. Its like - I give fear (also a state of mind like belief that you mentioned) a picture say LORRY, but that does not explain what fear is. Its just my own personal picture of it. So, my point here is - please try to explain your definition of God. God deserves more than a sentence after all you and I are his creation.

If you are implying that God does not exist and he is just a mere belief then May god save your soul.

My answer:

In a nutshell, God is the architect who designed the whole universe and controls it. Otherwise how would you explain the whole creation and the things that exist? How do you think they magically came about? How do you explain life?

If you say Theory of Evolution answers the creation – please don’t get me started on this… It’s established already that the Theory of Evolution cannot be totally right. Its just one mans explanation of creation which is proved wrong and cannot be applied to all the creation. The new buzz in the science world about evolution is “Intelligent Design” which confirms that there is some kind of design architecture in place for the whole creation but doesn’t talk about the architect. The same way religion talks about the architect and not the design. It’s actually both the architect and the design that explains the creation.

Google “Intelligent design” and you will find some answers.

I would like to make a very interesting point here. People tend to have two different views of creation – the scientific view and the spiritual view. The atheists have a scientific view of everything and the priests the spiritual view. The problem here is Science and Religion are not opposite sides of the coin. They are the two different pieces of the same entity. We should try to explain spirituality through science but not use it to go against everything. Its like learning multiplication and trying to predict the path of the meteor. There is an awful lot of things that we still don’t know and cannot explain. We better completely understand the system before going against it.

And this is my attempt to understand the whole belief system and its origin.


Why do we need God? How did human beings come across this existence of God?

NOTE: All these are my own speculations. May not necessarily be true, if you do not agree then please correct me!

We all know that the primitive man lived the forests (there was no New York and Hyderabad at the time), while he was in there he was plagued with many different problems like forest fire, the tornados, the draughts, the floods and other such natural calamities. By the very nature of human beings we tend to look for support and hate to be alone. So, at the time of such distress, the primitive man must have thought how well it would be if someone could help him at the time of trouble. But he realized there is no one for his support except for the animals which won’t talk like he does. So, he needed a savior and hence in desperation he began to create this imaginary being called God. There was no sign of god. He simply did not exist for him until that moment. He cannot be seen, he cannot be heard, he can only be felt. So, god started out as an abstract being. I know this sounds crazy, especially for Christians because in Genesis Chapter 1, it says – God created Man, and here I am reversing it. Just bear with me for a while, it will make sense later.

It’s established that God as we know was created by man. He then started telling people that there is this super power almighty that is above all the nature and controls everything. So, people thought he was crazy. He had to prove it to people (by people I mean the other cave men and women) that he really existed. So, at the time of distress and trouble he started to request the almighty that he be saved. And sometimes he was saved (this is because there is God whether man found him or not). So, you see God is not an invention but a discovery! And these requests became frequent and are given the name Prayer!

Why do we have so many Gods/goddesses?

The human population is scattered across different geographical structures that one suffered from heat/fire and hence found his savior as – God of Fire (Agni) while the others suffered from tornados and wind –hence God of Wind (Vaayu) and similarly the rest of the gods too. Each type of calamity required a different kind of God to control it and save people from it. So, we have different representation/faces to the god. But basically the whole idea of God is to be powerful and save us from troubles.

Then who are Rama / Krishna/ Buddha and Jesus?

My wildest guess would be these are very good people who walked the earth and have done a lot of good deeds. They are like icons that showed the world how life is to be lead. Each one has a unique lesson to teach – Rama -> Being truthful and honest. Krishna – saving the poor and needy from evil. Buddha – being obedient and humble. Jesus -> loving everyone as you love yourself. You see, each god symbolizes a virtue, come to think of it – all these are humans according to the scriptures but how come they are regarded as Gods? The most reasonable answer would be that - we attributed many powers to them and made them divine. If you say god is just like you and me – what is god’s specialty then? So, this is the trick that people did to make the humans divine and give them the god status to prove that the virtues ought to be pursued as the god himself has done that. But some of them might have been god himself you never know!

You don’t believe in god do you?

I do. But I am just trying to find out who the god really is and not just go by the theories put forth by the scriptures. I personally felt god in my prayers. I believe there is a god out there who answers my prayers and I have seen him in action whenever I needed help. But I am not sure what to believe, I have felt god but he has never talked to me nor have I seen him. I strongly believe that he exists for I talk to him asking for favors all the time and he grants it. He never talks back to me but makes sure I get what I deserve. That’s my belief.

Cool, then how do you explain religion?

We humans are very intelligent and tend to use everything to our benefit by using the knowledge that we have – the cave man was no exception. When he discovered god, he was really happy that someone out there cares and saves him from troubles. So, he has a fallback now – and does not have to worry much about the survival and other problems. He has practically nothing to do and loads of free time and fewer responsibilities. In this free time he thought – now that I have someone that takes care of me what should I do? So, he started to have fun. This went fine for a while but everyone is behaving crazily and everyone is going wild. The party went out of control when he started to have crazy desires and did some really nasty stuff just because he can and because he wanted to. There started the trouble. Add to that some mishaps and natural calamites. Result: Chaos all over. Things got serious. Some good leaders gathered and discussed the situation. They came up with a brilliant idea – RELIGION. How and Why?


Reason 1:

They wondered - we have God now and he is not helping us even if we pray when in trouble. They were puzzled thinking why god is not helping?
Then it struck them– may be we are being selfish in praying to god only when we are in trouble and started thinking may be we should keep in touch more often with god and put a process to the whole prayer thing. May be we should thank him and offer some things and please him in some way to gain his favor.

Reason 2:


Also there must have been some complaints against the radical behavior of some crazy guys and this called for a set of rules that everyone must abide by. They realized we cannot just do whatever we can or wanted to if we are living together. We must have a system in place but the problem here is how we restrict this radical behavior. Nobody listens if we just make them sit and say its wrong and you cannot do it. The listener will listen only when the speaker is powerful and important. Wait a minute, we already have the most powerful being i.e. God. So, we used god and played on the man’s most powerful emotion – FEAR. Until then God was good and so no one cared coz they thought he cannot harm and he can only help/save. Now things changed, God is the hero who can save/destroy you. Its up to us to be obedient and humble or rebel and get our ass kicked. This was presented to the public as
“The cause for all the chaos is lack of obedience to god and doing bad things which he doesn’t like so we should behave a certain way to have god on our side. He is not helping us coz he is pissed off with us. We better behave ourselves or get wiped out“

So the message made it. The system is in place and everyone followed it for the fear of god. This system is nothing but the RELIGION. As you can clearly see, I don’t believe in religion – its just a system to get keep us well-behaved if you understand why it is in place, you don’t need to confirm to one.


To be continued……

Reply to : Eternal quest: Who is god? Jesus/Krishna/Muhammad/me?

This was satish's reply to my post.

Sorry john!!

I cant help you out in this regard. I am an athiest. I dont believe in
God or Spiritual things. I just dont. I dont say NO to the people who
are interested in all these things. Everyone has their individual
interest. The following are all my personal opinions. You may
disregard many of them. You dont have to get messed up with them.
Right??

I dont spend my time searching for something which is not existed in
the real world. There might be something in the dark ages, I dont
know. You and I werent there to have a look at. I have seen so many
different cultures/religions/ethinities/etc. Everyone tries to make
their impact on the rest of the community, which i really hate. I have
experienced it quiet a lot. Just a simple smile will do the answer for
every nonsense.

Okay, lemme ask you some questions. I mentioned my answers just beside
to them. While answering the following questions, just be truthful to
yourself.

Who is God?? (A strong belief in you which creates a picture of GOD)
Did you ever see God?? (Yeah, I dont believe in ONE, there are TWO,
Guess who)
Do you follow god?? ( No, I follow my parents)
Do you really interested in listening to someone who describes GOD??
(Yeah, I do to say NO at the end)
Did you ever expect something from GOD?? What if you dont get it?? Do
you stil love god??
Everyone expects something or the other from GOD. (Do You)
If you dont expect anything from GOD, do you still believe in him. (I
bet No one does)
You pray for GOD before you do anything, either it could be an exam/
new job/presentaion/whatever. Why do you do that?? (You just wanted to
get rid of the tense situation, so that you can feel better)

What do you guys say?? If you dont have anything to say, i consider my
answers as correct. You dont want that right::::)))

Satish

Eternal quest: Who is god? Jesus/Krishna/Muhammad/me?

5th November 2007
I posted this in the SSIET group.

NOTE: These are some really deep and crude thoughts that I have stumbled upon. Readers discretion required.

These days I have been extensively researching on spirituality and stuff. I have found some really interesting and insane documentaries that disprove most of the Christian scriptures. For a while I went through a phase of disbelieving the whole Christian way. Then it struck me that I am reading the controversies first instead of knowing the religion. So, I started reading bible and understanding it - but the conscience in me still troubles me with some parts of bible which are too incomprehensible when I try to make sense of it with the little understanding that I have.

So, I told myself does this happen only to my religion or is it common to all religions. Why are Christian beliefs so feeble? Do i lack the faith or is the whole belief system just a mere belief? These questions kept haunting me and I wanted to find out if this happens to the rest of the world too.

In my eternal quest, just by sheer coincidence I ran into a book exhibition - actually Pavan lead me to it, (thank you Pavan for that). Anyways, this book exhibition had a book by Taapi Dharma rao. He is a very well read columnist and essayist. He is a pandit and he has done some major research on religions - Christianity, Hinduism & Islam. He has read Bible, Vedas, Quran and Bhagavadgeetha and stuff. He also is very up-to-date with the modern world as he quoted the findings of excavations of Babylonia and Macedonia. So basically, he knows what he is talking.

So, the point here is - he shook up the whole foundation of the hindu religion. Just like what George Maxwell has done to Christianity. He is outrageous and very bold in his remarks but had some very good points to make. He had a very rather cynical approach to the whole process but he is just being honest and digging that real truth that we are so afraid to confront.

I am explaining all this coz ?

Reading this book has changed my total perspective. The major patches to my rather narrow and limited vision are
1. Religion is personal - You cannot take whatever is imposed on you as scriptures and just blinding follow it. Feel the God and that is your religion DONT JUST FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
2. Scriptures are Journals and not the only sources of truth - the truth is out there for you to find out. Scriptures just provide you the background.
3. There is NO SINGLE GOD. - I admit we all worship different gods/goddesses but there is ONLY ONE DIVINE ENTITY out there that is responsible for everything that happens in the whole big universe but we mortals cannot confine him to a particular form/way. Its like taking water into a beaker and saying water is cylindrical - get it?
4. All the religions are just about the same wine in different bottle - the packaging differs. Look at Moses story and Lord Krishna. They are so many striking similarities. Look at the Islamic belief of how the creation started and the Genesis in bible - they are just about the same. There is JESUS in Islam and Ibrahim/Abraham in Bible.


To be continued ......

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God bless, (whoever he is)
John
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